we consider the seminars of

[binasto]

I can say on itself that I attend such seminars not in order to place “mark”, but each time I learn something new, down what usually was not turned the attention. For example, there are some base things, about which us tell our instructors casually, but down whom I do not always turn attention, but the invited instructors, on the contrary, primary attention they indicate some moments, about which we we already know.
Plus, at such seminars I am very active: if something not understandably, I always ask again.
Based on the other side, the main thing not to , otherwise it is possible completely to be tangled.
But generally, as speak experimental of : “Before the tango there are no complex elements, the main thing, it is correct to learn “to go”.





On Friday May 25
19.00-20.30 anterior and posterior 1,2,3
21.00-22.30 complex 2,3
“Forget, that they spoke ago about even of 10 years”
Principle even from that, which gave beside the past arrival year ago (twisting by hand on the rib of female partner), now everything it is based beyond spring and search for the point of stress against the contact points with the female partner, energy, the created point of stress before the contact - this and there is promise down , before the spring of complex more the partner monitors the size of spring, female partner is active before the contact on from the spring, any for the promise down , you can do only in order to more rapidly find the point of stress for the promise beyond , after creating new spring, hands are weakened, but before the tone (they are elastic)
(close down the words of source): I am not constrained that he made mistakes, we are developed how instructor I changed the principle of training , because he saw, that in my pupils more rapidly and better works precisely this principle
Marian: now no longer is fashionable execution with the connected elbows, forget, is fulfiled from the thigh, the connection of elbows plays no role, with the springs you do not forget about the thighs, they must remain in parallel to the earth.
About the result: there are no words, some salivas seems possibility they are limitless this method: double , promises down from the positions, about which with it could not have and speech, freedom the partner.
But questions all are the same, beyond what level must all this lie did become obsolete “classical” method of training of novices… or nevertheless it must lie beyond “classics”. to. therefore whether we mastered so rapidly this method, that already possessed old skills. to. they they were not necessary before principle and it is only harmful… the innovating of new method on the possibilities, to mutual understanding before the pair it is too obvious





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Theme is completely correct and is necessary.
But, in my view, you did not take into account one additional of the tiny moment: To you they can sell beautiful, , new and so forth “thing” before the very beautiful identification tag, BUT… little necessary beside life they also people and for the sake of it to eat are desirable, and “new bright beautiful thing” of is better than good-quality worn, but trying. (marketing principle of sales of cell phones all of new and new and new generations). If you this comprehend, then many things will arise themselves before their places

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If you this comprehend, then many things will arise themselves before their places
As is known, practice - the criterion of truth let us look, can through the pair of months, will be achieved miracle and all who was at the seminar they will begin to fulfil perfected before all planes and directions, beside the music and according to the sides.
To radically change basic elements technique theme is undoubtedly captivating. Here it was recalled, from the Soviet times… NOT thinner than the time per year appeared the recurrent revolutionary method of ploughing plowed land or . brigade contracting. Daily before the news of about the colossal successes. Only there was no sausage in the magazines alas on the previous





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sergvch wrote (a):
As is known, practice - the criterion of truth let us look, can through the pair of months, will be achieved miracle and all who was at the seminar they will begin to fulfil perfected before all planes and directions, beside the music and according to the sides.

[sergfsh]

Alas already no speech about not substituting the faith before its forces, by hope for the miraculous methodologies





of the majors: “There are three different principles of conducting down :
1.
2. sharp stop without a change in the direction of the motion of the partner
3. principle with its catching of the points of stress "
MAG (high-power aerosol generator): “This method is interesting, principle previous, is only misaligned the accent of attention based on the attention of female partner to the group of partner down the contact points of pair, in Europe they do not wish for long to learn and seek the new accents, down which should be turned attention with the training… hence and from … sole, not all it is possible to believe, only to those, who not one year this experiments on itself, he has the statistics on its pupils and their results checked”





On Saturday May 26
15.00-16.30 combinations of from the springs and 2,3
17.30-19.00 pulse and sensitivity to the pulse on 2,3
19.30-21.00 different masculine and female and 2,3
Again spring, elastic active contact, the active role of female partner, the creation of mutual dynamics before the pair
It is singular, what relatively badly works - this is the activity of female partner with , before the proposed version the female partner does not give her weight beside the hand of partner, the right hand of partner only limits the radius of , but " keeps” at the point of the partner female partner herself by left hand, all this provokes unpredictability for the partner, such as weight it down it will give as a result (distribution of counterbalance before to monitor all -equal it is necessary at the point of partner), shorter than the definite type of and with each approach down … advantage - partner it can remain beyond its axis practically constantly… it seems that this principle for the permanent partners for the development of dynamics and interrelation before the pair, the search for new possibilities, but not for the absolutely partners
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sergvch wrote (a):
wrote (a):
If you this comprehend, then many things will arise themselves before their places
As is known, practice - the criterion of truth let us look, can through the pair of months, will be achieved miracle and all who was at the seminar they will begin to fulfil perfected before all planes and directions, beside the music and according to the sides.
To radically change basic elements technique theme is undoubtedly captivating. Here it was recalled, from the Soviet times… NOT thinner than the time per year appeared the recurrent revolutionary method of ploughing plowed land or . brigade contracting. Daily before the news of about the colossal successes. Only there was no sausage in the magazines alas on the previous





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wrote (a):
Theme is completely correct and is necessary.
But, in my view, you did not take into account one additional of the tiny moment: To you they can sell beautiful, , new and so forth “thing” before the very beautiful identification tag, BUT… little necessary beside life they also people and for the sake of it to eat are desirable, and “new bright beautiful thing” of is better than good-quality worn, but trying. (marketing principle of sales of cell phones all of new and new and new generations). If you this comprehend, then many things will arise themselves before their places
about “” of I wrote still initially, as soon as beginnings to actively use a forum for the fact that disturbs me, now it completely changed its point of view… in my view, to sell “liner” now before the Moscow of tango - is simply unreal, I cannot say what about Arnaud at the festival before the spinner, although it even about “the liner” did not care there another German some was, I do not remember as its or that-, they did not invite before to spinner as (but on the hearing here in Moscow it once they tried “to sell”, then even beside Samara they conveyed as “ ”) it did a pile of beautiful with the Argentinean names of the themes its lessons before some hotel and gave out them on under cover of festival beside the alternative of the passing lessons… but also success did not there enjoy, because all saw its tango on in Moscow also numerous examples, when they revealed “liner” and rejected to eat its contents (I will not indicate the individual, all and so )





17.00-18.30 particular class - and its rhythmic variations 1,2,3
18.30-20.00 rhythm in application to the movement (work with , , by and ) by 2, 3
Springs, spring and again spring… even before , when you conduct female partner beyond the doubling beside … one unpleasant moment before the lesson of : not all immediately comprehended the count of entire lesson: “that---there- pause” as “and-time-two-three- pause”, some they comprehended only after lesson. . it was necessary syncope “and” before the count, when it did not beat by step, “time-two-three- pause” incomprehensibly… it is now puzzled instead of the normal: first whether to develop the principle “of springs” with its female partner, then to spit on them - the universality of conducting by springs not you , you will always be another female partner, who them does not know, and it, it will in turn think that you any before the tango, good although “classics” there is before the base above the shoulders, but to permanent female partner it will be still more badly, by its activity before the contact and by the reaction down it of other partners simply before the blind alley it can place





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wrote (a):
Theme is completely correct and is necessary.
But, in my view, you did not take into account one additional of the tiny moment: To you they can sell beautiful, , new and so forth “thing” before the very beautiful identification tag, BUT… little necessary beside life they also people and for the sake of it to eat are desirable, and “new bright beautiful thing” of is better than good-quality worn, but trying. (marketing principle of sales of cell phones all of new and new and new generations). If you this comprehend, then many things will arise themselves before their places
about “” of I wrote still initially, as soon as beginnings to actively use a forum for the fact that disturbs me, now it completely changed its point of view… in my view, to sell “liner” now before the Moscow of tango - is simply unreal, I cannot say what about Arnaud at the festival before the spinner, although it even about “the liner” did not care there another German some was, I do not remember as its or that-, they did not invite before to spinner as (but on the hearing here in Moscow it once they tried “to sell”, then even beside Samara they conveyed as “ ”) it did a pile of beautiful with the Argentinean names of the themes its lessons before some hotel and gave out them on under cover of festival beside the alternative of the passing lessons… but also success did not there enjoy, because all saw its tango on in Moscow also numerous examples, when they revealed “liner” and rejected to eat its contents (I will not indicate the individual, all and so )





Let us assume you decided to learn to nail. They found the skilled worker, who learned you to nail, but… something to you is not sufficient, sometimes nail oppression, sometimes on the finger you fall… instead of practice, look against the same skilled worker, you to to other. New dashingly learns you to drive in nail for the sake of one impact (true, on the finger now he is received sicker and more frequent), on lines this is must, it is not understandable, but to steep slope. Is further, from others those desiring to learn to drive in nails, you , that this can be made still and musically. You find , you learn, well you do not forget to , certainly… And here you already can musically drive in nails, let us say, under Kahn- Kahn either to or Lezghin woman or to . All would be steeply, but it proves to be, now it is fashionable this to make under “funeral march” of Chopin - you further continue to learn (before the meaning to unfasten). You, of course, , they continue “to teach”. Now you can nail both under the slow music and under the rapid (to you it will intersect so that it would not be located the clever fellow -, who learns to nail still, also, under or Berg or or even what ). But, to you it is small! It proves to be, there are such specialists -, as before hammering the nail, they dashingly juggle by hammer. Yes- A, similar we do not have. And to you so it wishes (on you you do not know, but it wishes). And so forth
On than this is I? Yes, about the fact that there are many things, which and not poor and, even, , but their suitability before the life… causes questions. Yes even it does not interfere with remembering that before our time NOT THE DEMAND GIVES BIRTH TO SENTENCE, A SENTENCE DEMAND, contemporary western saving over the consumption today stands on this.
I was loquacious… I apologize myself and I am eliminated my thought, of course, it is not indisputable (they must be before the life and jugglers hammers, .. the artists… here only of skilled workers not enough)





it is possible to lead other analogy: you learn to nail, repel fingers, you understand that something not that, but is purely intuitively, but you they tell, so accepted, although you are convinced, that the principle works well percentages beyond 30-40; therefore you seek, someone appears, who dashingly nails, says that it is possible to drive in them even more rapid and more, to on top of that and juggle by hammer, on top of that and under any music it demonstrates this… selection- that it is obvious for you, suddenly you you remember, that you work before the brigade and it is far from by foreman, you still have a partner and they all yet were not swung here and it arises a question “but must whether?!”
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[arbucek]

This is correct. A question is exceptionally individual - who and as wishes to nail. One small correction after - it is still important, what it is concrete nails. To nails also it can be not nevertheless, as they drive in them.
I would compare it with the study of the foreign language (here somewhere it did casually note) - does make sense it to teach, if there is no possibility it to practice? But if there is an interest? To someone can seem by foolish the study of urdu, and to other beside happiness. , in addition possibility can in the course of time be bent back. This before the life is so that must or is not must - each decides at the point of itself and for itself.
If there is neither possibility nor interest nor abilities - that, probably and on its native to associate rather well.
But if without the abstractions, tango technique - not one sole. To someone one is convenient, someone more comfortable itself it feels before another. And such horror sometimes occurs, that one maestro tells exactly to conversely so that another once spoke. the Lord, to argue, who laws, and who encloses nonsense. To select that which pleases, which is more convenient, it is nearer, and to be glad against life; )
And it is entirely concrete, absolutely about the tango and even on the theme.
“elbows together” a priori implies smaller freedom than from the thigh. Personally for me - the greater the freedom, the , the better.
I wish to barely note about that they often unpredictability imply activity of both partners. On my attitude, monitor the distribution of counterbalance they can (but still better - they must) both partners. Thus, experienced female partner can correct , if partner before this plan novice. About the fact that can two experienced partners do with the , it is possible only to be licked; )





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it is possible to lead other analogy: you learn to nail, repel fingers, you understand that something not that, but is purely intuitively, but you they tell, so accepted, although you are convinced, that the principle works well percentages beyond 30-40; therefore you seek, someone appears, who dashingly nails, says that it is possible to drive in them even more rapid and more, to on top of that and juggle by hammer, on top of that and under any music it demonstrates this… selection- that it is obvious for you, suddenly you you remember, that you work before the brigade and it is far from by foreman, you still have a partner and they all yet were not swung here and it arises a question “but must whether?!”
About the brigade it was pleased… so at the point of the blacklegging even and to on- person they can … At the point of the disengagement from the collective

[arbucek]

“As map it will lie” - this is precise about the tango! ; )
Comrade beside the brigade arrived, he began to drive in nails. Thus far it was not able, it was interesting to learn. When it learned, it became boring. It became left hand to clog. It became again interestingly. Then again it felt miserable. Next comrades, by finger in temple turn. Turn- turned, suddenly comprehended that it nails it did not remain - entire comrade clogged. They began to be improved… So group was developed on its canons because of the proficiency before the aspect of social significance; )





, me- that about the idea disturbs one question, let they calm down me, that the principles of springs, the activity of female partner with the appropriate responsibility before the pair, the energy exchange before the dynamics of pair, activity and elasticity before the contact will become the tendencies of training, and conducting by hands and by the transfer of weight before the discovered embrace acceptable in reality “soft conducting” to me is already incomprehensible, before his essence simply no. “ah, as you softly and tenderly conduct” - well delirium whereas well cannot through soft be transmitted energy and it is undertaken from the partner to the female partner and vice versa that you show to female partner by the corps - this yet does not mean that you transmit energy as far as it, if she reacts only down it, it is necessary to take energy in itself, if there is no its transfer against the contact points
After I wish to recall seminar sylvine Of , there was lesson down (spring). . as the principle of interaction before the pair, but as element. . in whom did not come out, including plainly, also, in it, to look against this (on to sylvine, that is tried to extend to Wahl down the spring from the anterior , something for long explaining in this case) was to somehow even very inconveniently: all this was awkward, if we do not say absurdly Wahl was there precisely , sylvine wished all to do itself, being at the point of the partner
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well-e- in. well -. - in.
about the brigade.
one woman so visualizes her role and wishes one conducting, another otherwise visualizes its role and wishes other conducting, the third - the third.
female partners are not desired to learn under a certain standard of equipment. each makes he in the manner that pleases personally by her.
so that it is fallen one down of news so, another - otherwise. if you wish to please to all.
or you make as it pleases personally you and you will select those female partners of which precisely this it triples.
so that brigade you drive out itself, under that method of forcing which you pleases. well, or brigade itself will select you. this indeed who about that drives in. to someone - to be embraced, while to someone - is rapid. cenosts is tolerant - “it is suited this way and that”

[arbucek]

They will become; ) Already somewhere they became; )
(I do not know, to what extent it rested…)
By the way. Based on the example of ill-fated , with which half a year ago it arrived beside the states - since then… increasingly more thinly and more rarely are encountered “elbows together”. So that everything flows, everything is changed…
“Soft embrace” - approximately as “soft elbows” - does not indicate one hundred percent softness.
It is not received, because new. But new, assumed beyond the old skills, can prove to be still more difficult than if skills there was any (it was somewhere branch about the ballet…)





I will not calm
By Roberto and
On August 26, 2005. Nights Of and replacement of the directions
Before the cluster it was necessary to return female partner from the step, partner before the cross made step down the side, for the sake of Roberto: and here by hands, friends. . in the students: as by hands, down us such they explained never, only by the corps and any
and 2006 g.
The doubling of female partner against her step ago down under masculine and also so that the female partner is as a result banal from the partner on the lesson of waltz, replacement of directions, (on the course this their generally dear element with this doubling and ). . of spring available, but of this do not explain, female partners are indignant why to them it is given this strong pulse by hands, partners will give forward the corps as they can, but necessary space the movements of female partner do not receive for against their step forward, female partners as a result memorize only cluster, in practice all to line forget again, are again dissatisfied, that them push… tested not with one I I will agree with “A”, probably this all principles , and to the close embrace on has very distant relation, but, it seems me, if you pass beside the discovered embrace, then without this principle already it cannot be danced. . would say simply uninterestingly and the training in essence it does pass to the discovered embrace, perhaps not thus? … for many there is no particular difference between the discovered and close embrace, besides the fact that before the close one it is possible to be forced to against each other, and the discovered embrace - this in order to hide the defects of equipment, for the practice and when the partners of to each other
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Here many already said, but not most important… plainly- that to nail know how units, and this quite traditional- that by method. But, without having learned to foundations, already they wish to be circus actors. For this talent it is necessary, if it does not exist, then… ! One illusion of new knowledge by A, is further as in the hopelessly patient, who is thrown first according to the doctors, then according to the sorcerers, then according to the sorcerers and…. one - tango- disablement of i-th group.
Wiser by the life Of

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of spring greatly even they refer to close about- yu
to me were pleased considerations about the combination of the concepts of tenderness and those, let us say so, plugs, are today fashionable. (generally as a whole, you will notice, entire the visitors of maestro they use not for the sake of certain eternal truths, but for the sake of such concepts as “fashionable”, “new” and so forth can someone this it distresses, but me it gladdens)
being returned to the tenderness, it seems to me that tenderness - it category … i.e. it is possible to tenderly make such that the girl in parallel to floor and almost before the twine, and it is possible by crosses to go loin so that cramps. but these are general considerations. certainly, then that we conditionally name “”:. it more constructed on exchange system besides pulses… of the type “you to me - I to you” I give to you energy, you use it. in this case giving energy partner, as to me it is thought, nevertheless supposes very concrete result. i.e. all infinite conversations of those, whom this does not please about the fact that allegedly - the new trends - filth, because kill the classical principles of conducting- sequence - cleanest water fabrication.
generally I wished to write something sensible, but leaves spreading by thought on the tree. therefore I throw scribble. “I will consult in specialist” I will formulate understandably and I will write.
the many thanks to the author at the point of the theme. long ago there was nothing such good on the forums.

[RH]

2006 g. lesson down
Before the approach circuits by female partner with her doubling before itself from right to left and again to the right past itself, by you stop the posterior strut of female partner, partner in this case is fixed, all only by corps and by the hands… of of female partner, which with me at the seminar, memorizes only cluster. . before the exercise - word of another female partner “and what you you drive by hands?”
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Here many already said, but not most important… plainly- that to nail know how units, and this quite traditional- that by method. But, without having learned to foundations, already they wish to be circus actors. For this talent it is necessary, if it does not exist, then… ! One illusion of new knowledge by A, is further as in the hopelessly patient, who is thrown first according to the doctors, then according to the sorcerers, then according to the sorcerers and…. one - tango- disablement of i-th group.
Wiser by the life Of
I do hope, “nails” - this not of female partner before your understanding?





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of spring greatly even they refer to close about- yu
to me were pleased considerations about the combination of the concepts of tenderness and those, let us say so, plugs, are today fashionable. (generally as a whole, you will notice, entire the visitors of maestro they use not for the sake of certain eternal truths, but for the sake of such concepts as “fashionable”, “new” and so forth can someone this it distresses, but me it gladdens)
being returned to the tenderness, it seems to me that tenderness - it category … i.e. it is possible to tenderly make such that the girl in parallel to floor and almost before the twine, and it is possible by crosses to go loin so that cramps. but these are general considerations. certainly, then that we conditionally name “”:. it more constructed on exchange system besides pulses… of the type “you to me - I to you” I give to you energy, you use it. in this case giving energy partner, as to me it is thought, nevertheless supposes very concrete result. i.e. all infinite conversations of those, whom this does not please about the fact that allegedly - the new trends - filth, because kill the classical principles of conducting- sequence - cleanest water fabrication.
generally I wished to write something sensible, but leaves spreading by thought on the tree. therefore I throw scribble. “I will consult in specialist” I will formulate understandably and I will write.
the many thanks to the author at the point of the theme. long ago there was nothing such good on the forums.
about the softness of conducting - I about of both partners, first as you “tenderly " keep girl, but that how elastic, but switch oned and active a contact you together create… spring it is extended and it is compressed before both directions, bonders and kicks here out of place, certainly





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Here many already said, but not most important… plainly- that to nail know how units, and this quite traditional- that by method. But, without having learned to foundations, already they wish to be circus actors. For this talent it is necessary, if it does not exist, then… ! One illusion of new knowledge by A, is further as in the hopelessly patient, who is thrown first according to the doctors, then according to the sorcerers, then according to the sorcerers and…. one - tango- disablement of i-th group.
Wiser by the life Of
do not know whom you you bear in mind, but I has still long ago solved for itself, that to I will not be introduced minimum two years, until I master although somehow classics how this possibly, something before the classical tango I push beside itself by force, to much simply it trained itself, no jerks and revolutions I greet, when are opened by something eyes it is desirable to be divided and to learn the opinion of others, in order not to remain recluse and “to themselves by director”

[arbucek]

And I will not calm; )
To acknowledge, about “the conducting after hands” to me whatever was encountered… among “elastic” instructors, not any others… But conducting with the hands - this yes, there is similar. Other comrades have a tendency of news by the corps, leaving hands somewhere on the side, from behind, still somewhere. Especially in those, who predominantly dance before the close embrace, but it tries to master that discovered. There is a version, that the speech could be about this (on the laws of version; )





arbusik wrote (a):
And I will not calm; )
To acknowledge, about “the conducting after hands” to me whatever was encountered… among “elastic” instructors, not any others… But conducting with the hands - this yes, there is similar. Other comrades have a tendency of news by the corps, leaving hands somewhere on the side, from behind, still somewhere. Especially in those, who predominantly dance before the close embrace, but it tries to master that discovered. There is a version, that the speech could be about this (on the laws of version; )
and “elastic” who for example, you will forgive? and that I am worthwhile before the selection to whom to resemble “to ”? and I know, but “elastic” somehow was not brought… that zh, not “conducting by hands”, so was not encountered, all once the first time
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[arbucek]

… you like itself transferred “elastic”; )

[arbucek]

Not, well if left not on account and speech about the Moscow instructors, then no one I name - to me from a distance to not see, who in Moscow “springs”; )





not well current the hands of such is not generally, do not distort, understandable that all from the corps, curling and all such are other than our hands not for the boredom

[arbucek]

If you spoke about “the hand together with the corps”, and not “hand instead of the corps”, as I distorted (read: erroneously she did comprehend), then I do not recover, before what contradiction - that, before “classics”, as you do name, about the hands nothing they do write? ; )





yes I already to mono-lie down, who can as far as another it will again and in other words explain or it will refute, hope, before we each other comprehended





he forgot to specify one additional detail important… principle with The , in my view, the sufficiently “” tango: elastic, but rigid , transfer and the return of energy and so forth… precisely “”, but not “”, as many speak… acrobatics - is already corollary, result and the possibility of this principle… not in each such physical training. Marian generally “elephant calf” - . it is grounded and requires the energy (from my sensations paired with it on the exercises)… based on the side it seems that all is easy and unconstrainedly, but spring they nevertheless require internal stress before the pair, constant tone… here before this see the definite problem for its mass introduction… if who it adapted this principle under less prepared physically , indeed before the tango they come not for the development of their physical possibilities

[HINJO]

but springs nevertheless require internal stress before the pair, constant tone… here before this see the definite problem for its mass introduction… if who it adapted this principle under less prepared physically , indeed before the tango they come not for the development of their physical possibilities
, “tone” and “stress” of thing different, and in the absence excessive/unnecessary stress beside the tele- physical expenditures considerably are decreased - to the completely acceptable sizes I the second - I think, cause-effect communications another: not principle is adapted under the man, but man drives out (but in the case by the dancers of a similar level, itself develops) appropriate to it principles.





before by something I will agree with you, but weakening and simultaneous tone are not given so simply, tone - this certain switch oned weakening, when you can against any moment and to be strained. . is primary? to learn to be stretched or to weaken? it seems me, it is first necessary to learn to be stretched, even excessively, and to then catch already the swagger of the execution of the same with the minimum expenditures… as far as nature of men it is lazy and it will seek the methods of achieving the result by smaller expenditures and for the sake of stress… sooner or later. . when the principle of training is constructed only on one “be weakened yes be weakened, you are pressed” - this all -equal, that you they tell “have a nap”, when in you insomnia… weakening is primarily fraught for the sake of the fact that you do not then know as to remain before the tone and switch oned… as exercises on equipment only weakening or only stress is useful as the stimulating contrasting shower, but my we in essence by simply warm water… this to it does not relate, this simply my opinion, tested on itself… in them all also the very be weakened yes be weakened, as as if tango solid weakening. . goes before the close embrace the people with the shuffling on the floor struts as ropes, catching each other for the sake of elbows before complete under the meditative music and as a result you you have the slack, sluggish, not switch oned female partner after all these training or pressed, complexed, that so also could not be weakened, but nevertheless foresee, that you wish, active, that is fussed, my opinion - second version better, to alter the first very complicatedly. .- that all on classics makes, and who does not understand its, that is guilty how much people went away from the tango, that so they could not “be weakened”, and I, for example it did not try particularly, until itself is weakened and bypassed take in, that they spoke… he knew about this that sooner or later I will be weakened, anywhere I will not be blown. i.e. I will fall asleep, when I do want to sleep to me nearer than the word of Aleksey - of from “be weakened and simultaneously be strained, and as? here already themselves think”. . before this joke is much truth

[HINJO]

before by something I will agree with you, but weakening and simultaneous tone are not given so simply, tone - this certain switch oned weakening, when you can against any moment and be strained.
It is absolutely agreeable. It is very complicated to catch this condition, to even more complexly learn “to enter” into it is deliberately - precisely because there is no universal formula, everything is especially individual. To say nothing of that the stress or the weakening of one partner influences another… Me it seems, this precisely not that, to what it is possible to learn at the seminar - there it is possible to comprehend for itself, where to go - and is further, entire itself itself (+ the petty private traders, where faster “they will catch” some concrete Gluck,).

[AV]

before by something I will agree with you, but weakening and simultaneous tone are not given so simply, tone - this certain switch oned weakening, when you can against any moment and to be strained. . is primary? to learn to be stretched or to weaken? it seems me, it is first necessary to learn to be stretched, even excessively, and to then catch already the swagger of the execution of the same with the minimum expenditures… as far as nature of men it is lazy and it will seek the methods of achieving the result by smaller expenditures and for the sake of stress… sooner or later. . when the principle of training is constructed only on one “be weakened yes be weakened, you are pressed” - this all -equal, that you they tell “have a nap”, when in you insomnia… weakening is primarily fraught for the sake of the fact that you do not then know as to remain before the tone and switch oned… as exercises on equipment only weakening or only stress is useful as the stimulating contrasting shower, but my we in essence by simply warm water… this to it does not relate, this simply my opinion, tested on itself… in them all also the very be weakened yes be weakened, as as if tango solid weakening. . goes before the close embrace the people with the shuffling on the floor struts as ropes, catching each other for the sake of elbows before complete under the meditative music
No… Volodya
You propose only one, acceptable for you, the method of the study, when already itself learned to weaken.
I wish to propose more universal method.
BEFORE TRAINING of people before mastery besides its body and by psychophysiological reactions has long ago been used the method, which can be named the method “contrasting research”. It use athletes, and actors and other .....
To man is proposed that maximally to alternately strain muscle, group of muscles, or all itself, to and then maximally weaken them. On- several times so are implemented.
During all exercise one should focus attention on that, as is felt body, as is changed the tone of muscles (degree of stress - weakening) and so forth
Making repeatedly similar exercise with with the groups of muscles, which “are critical” at the point of the appropriate movements before the tango, it is possible to study its own “palette” of sensations, to try to memorize, to and then select most adequate at the point of movement.
This exercise, besides in all, trains muscles, it makes it possible to develop attention; also carries general nature for the research itself.
After the independent exercises, when already can monitor the degree OF YOUR tone, weakening or stress, it is possible to pass to the assimilation OF CONJUGATE TONE, i.e., to the selection of acceptable for BOTH PARTNERS.
This is far from sole method of study itself.

[Flo]

Vladimir Levi “is nearer to the body”
omasum about this. This badly it is another matter that me helps so that before the words of Vladimir about insomnia too much truth.

[AV]

Vla wrote (a):
Vladimir Levi “is nearer to the body”
omasum about this. This badly it is another matter that me helps so that before the words of Vladimir about insomnia too much truth.
I did not propose universal method in order to learn sweet to sleep down this another theme.
It is completely possible that this exercise got in Levi. Long ago this was, and it read and heard about this before the different versions and from the different sources.
However, as far as itself is concerned, its basic target - to INITIALLY learn to recognize before its tele- different degrees of the stress- weakening of muscles (to recall them, the fact that THEY (- muscle) exists), and then, as a result regular exercises, to train both their tone and to develop before itself ability them to control, to develop the ability (attentivenesses) to hold the control over them before the process of the assimilation of movements (for example step, curling the like) and execution on . But this all OF PRACTITIONER and TIME…
I gave only one of the methods on the development of some aspects of abilities, necessary for “the assimilation” of their body. Their enormous number. And directly down the tango they relate “distantly” as some GENERAL PRINCIPLES of the art of movements, development of attentiveness and control besides emotions and so forth
But this is already other theme.
Briefly to advise means from insomnia I do not can (with exception of ), besides it (insomnia) got rid by several , but they are too fundamental and require lasting assimilation and practice.





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Briefly to advise means from insomnia I do not can (with exception of
But if you have the tomcat of ? So it to you to sleep will not give, yes even to drink is necessary much in order to fall asleep…

[Slafo]

About the result: there are no words, some salivas seems possibility they are limitless this method: double , promises down from the positions, about which with it could not have and speech, freedom the partner.
But questions all are the same, beyond what level must all this lie did become obsolete “classical” method of training of novices… or nevertheless it must lie beyond “classics”. to. therefore whether we mastered so rapidly this method, that already possessed old skills. to. they they were not necessary before principle and it is only harmful… the innovating of new method on the possibilities, to mutual understanding before the pair it is too obvious





my 5 kopecks. spring (as entire ) this is the superstructure above the base.
took in petty private trader ( - two. and in two more. the front of work was changed not strongly). me even it did not request to dance against the beginning of lesson. “I remember”. and “the memory in boy is phenomenal”.
: you dance on the classical tango- stereotype, that tango - this is the dance of struts. but this is not so. it is possible to do much more interesting, if we connect down the work of hand. hence all these principles of springs and other play by the corps there where it earlier never it was.
a question - , and you this to novices do immediately give in yourself?
response is not, in no case.
and is further whole hour for the performance of embrace, axis, hands without the steps, before the statics.
to so that practice this, if to you it is interesting, it is possible and is necessary, but consider that to “this” will be only with those, who were in on the lesson well, not only in - the same , , and with them against one front fight.
down this sooner or later increasingly more people will come. now this is more “beside the table”.
but these are not another tango, this clearly superstructure. so that it would be more interestingly. when it begins to seem that grow already nowhere without this and further it is boring.
it danced with Mary Ann. it did not principally make nothing based on the lessons as . conducted, usually, with . and double (both forward and ago). was understood everything excellently. it played a little with the embrace and the hands “from its own ”. it looks and smiles, type “well here, Ivanov, but you speak that you not can”

I do not know, children. My regarding the arrival against such an equipment before the discovered embrace (yes even generally to the discovered embrace) before the fact that precise becomes “BORINGLY”. Personally for me the essence of tango lies precisely against the close embrace. I dance 4 years - it is not much, but also not so that it is very small. And the it is further, that to me it is more interesting him to study (close embrace). For me it is absolutely self-sufficient for on , tons to only before it is possible to suffer entire range of the emotions, which we can obtain before the tango. But this for me most important. But any discovered embrace, springs, conducting by hands, and to with them conduct down the departure from these feelings down the side of (or ) tango.
It seems to me that people follow these matters, if they simply do not catch that before the close embrace, either if by them it is interesting from the point of view of the development of the possibilities of its body, or if they by this are occupied professionally and they should strike the imagination of potential pupils, dancing sparkling show. But this is not necessary for on for me.
I do not wish hotly to argue, tons in each tango my. Simply it expressed its point of view, as this for me.

[Slafo]

the hitching post of distance - to know how to be together even at a distance
give about the proximity of embrace beside the individual top - here it began about another.

[Ulihis]

Slava wrote (a):
my 5 kopecks. spring (as entire ) this is the superstructure above the base.
As a whole it is completely with the glory agreeable. Sole, I did not name this superstructure. This is - the natural evolution of tango. Specifically, evolution, without any violence. On the lesson on the replacement of embrace said about the close embrace “thus they danced against the beginning of tango. We must this maintain”. He said well, with the respect, without the enthusiasm, but with the pride of man, who refers to great culture.





and in Moscow from May 29 to June 5, 2007.
my, especially personal, will be short, words of man (not my), who was not at the seminar: “provincial comedian”. . I would add “ in the Third World Country”:. “forget, that you they told earlier” (, somewhere I this already heard, ah, yes - very recently)… this pathos-arousing , struts shuffling on the floor. (, somewhere I this it saw, ah, yes. . lesson in Diego in the school inebi, who can dance the current of show, in addition)… “make all naturally on the hearing” (this how to make naturally the abnormal figures, and furthermore beside the line, which are proposed?)… a question about and replacement of systems from the parallel beside the cross, another pile of questions on our before the bird language… “yes forget about this, system occurs to be only against the first step, further role it does not play, there is no discovered embrace, be embraced so dance”… “you will request any in Argentina, who such Of , and each to you will describe” (in general almost we all arrived down , we in Moscow, yes even in what year Of although once projected in .I.T.A?)… I understand my comrades, who demonstratively left seminar, although in us tango and 8 years, we are already far from Third World Country before the tango, to Moscow arrive ALL best, is time this to comprehend and by others of , that we not … to hear at the point of our money, that “you any, and I steep as boiled eggs, to all ”, , tiresomely and humiliatingly. . petty private traders I heard the best responses… based on he did not argue, it was usefully in any event, but to irritate they me they began based on the very first lesson… it held in control yourselves, to what also rad, down its questions responses were obtained or they were conjectured practicing themselves with the female partner (for the most part questions). . is gay, shorter… they laughed sometimes to the tears… somewhat expensively on the money, true, this it was bridged that it was useful: the transfers of weight in partner down and the replacements of directions, conservation of energy before the pair, due to the movement strut, but not on top from the corps (usefully for the masculine adornments), of partner before the pair and that the velocity of the turnings of thighs and struts of partner can and sometimes must surpass velocity of lady, likable double , still something for the passenger cabin, which is actually applicable on

[Malrjing]

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in general almost we all arrived down , we in Moscow, yes even in what year Of although once projected in .I.T.A?)…
. Many times projected.
Of one of those, who worked before its first Parisian “”: were there with Mary Ann, Adrian and , daminana leaves and Celine, and Sabrina mass.
2.)





For me - without the commentaries.
The mentality of the Russian capital; however,…, and even is desirable to say , in this specific case - available.
And it is felt, that the author of the words (this your familiar) given above never learned dance professionally…
Such a relation to the instructors, it seems, becomes norm.
Recently I heard from my familiar (by the way, the instructor of tango), as she demonstratively went away based on Javier Rodriguez's lesson, because he said something that not corresponding to her representations about tango technique…
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Before my opinion, either you dancer or buyer, is not given.
If you is the dancer, then you respect instructor against whom it arrived down the lesson, even if you can better it, even if you have another representation about dance technique.
It seems to me that here precisely many Argentinean instructors ceased at the seminars to teach because of similar consumer relation to themselves, they became much to play down the public (but who it did not begin - that now little they invite).
This is regular - the present technique of tango does not enjoy this demand as show-seminar- entertainment for the tango- tourists, who “long ago” before the tango, tried “increasingly better”, they know equipment and “- cross system” and they arrived down the seminar in order either to examine maestro or to learn anything such new. Say to them truth that before the tango there is nothing new - they will cast aside by tomatoes and based on the seminar will go away…
What for the sake of it, to poor , to make with this public? Only to entertain remains…
And me no longer it astonishes, that some things at the seminars are explained only personally and almost confidentially.
3.)





We read with great interest - the most useful analysis.
It is very interesting, as is understood that which tells at the lessons and the seminars.
Why different is understood??? Here is a question!
(For us, for example, there is no difference between the explanations and .)
And an example.
Two days ago one of our pupils (but it goes down the lessons not only to us) said that “it they always earlier told to make such a one”, but today he comprehended as in reality necessary to make.
I about itself greatly astonished, tons to we on each lesson said that “to make such a one” is not must, this is erroneous. And we this of 7 months in a row spoke. But it became today only understandably.
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It can be, besides words there is even and THE MEANING OF THE AFORESAID.
Words occur different, but their meaning reaches not immediately.
(still it is desirable to write: not to all (joke good))

[Lenhes]

, conversation not about the noncoincidences before the description of equipment, but about the method of supplying the material. Not all are ready to absorb similar. Alas, I also several that not prepared.

[CtP]

Lenkis wrote (a):
, conversation not about the noncoincidences before the description of equipment, but about the method of supplying the material. Not all are ready to absorb similar. Alas, I also several that not prepared.
Yes, the method of supplying another, from the reverse. But completely has law down the life. We became accustomed, that to us first they chew, and basic cluster then is given. But here conversely. Here to you cluster - you will repeat. It is not received - so all steps are disassembled in stages, and questions they answer. Actually, naturally, and not apropos base equipment. The nonetheless moved level is declared. Everything is as a result understandable.





2, “… two is hail to , to us it was transmitted from without, not we devised scenario, you - in Petersburg, I - in Moscow…” (verses my to the former wife (by the way, from Peter by birth). . St. Petersburg mentality to me is familiar not on (and against it nothing I do have)… down I do not offend, I did say that it was useful on the sum, and that before the tango “we - not , - not we” - beyond this I do infuse… to so that cover branch? you do count the portion of healthy consumer cynicism it is inappropriate? Your loved Of did not play down the public, it did play down , constantly with it “it did lick itself” and did degrade pupils… based on the side they were similar down two of moods slovenly with the frequent replacement to respect their students in Argentina in dancers not accepted? You themselves were in it on the lessons although once? … by the way, us with the female partner it praised individually (confidentially) and my questions answered completely professionally. . objective truth to me more expensive than subordination and hypocrisy, once already undertook to open this branch let will be armature plate metal, as it there is I generally “nationalist” and the unjustified piety I do not test… I consider to Argentina that the Argentineans besides lazy according to nature not on that are particularly capable, they decomposed the dance of emigrants beyond the components in order it to export, they accumulated interesting lasting experience, using articulation of body rhythm and musicality of , but the development of tango they are wholly obligated to Europe. . and America… otherwise so also they were cooked before its to juice. to. our consumer relation to the out-of-town of by completely acceptable, and the level of tango- thought and experience before Moscow (and before Peter) year at the point of 4, if not at the point of 5 in other countries. ., soon they will address also about the Russian tango as about the Turkish, the Finnish, the Australian and so forth

[Lenhes]

SdP wrote (a):
Yes, the method of supplying another, from the reverse. But completely has law down the life. We became accustomed, that to us first they chew, and basic cluster then is given. But here conversely. Here to you cluster - you will repeat. It is not received - so all steps are disassembled in stages, and questions they answer. Actually, naturally, and not apropos base equipment. The nonetheless moved level is declared. Everything is as a result understandable.
And, in addition, not about that i. Reverse- not reverse. It is in different ways. And cluster requested to repeat, and exercises to make as all newcomers of . Nothing fundamentally new.
But base equipment to the usually precisely moved level is interesting





But I spoke completely about other - about emotional component of the supply of material.





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But it is possible to learn WHICH concrete- that, was not pleased?





by the way according to and . . () for the practice based on the discovered upward by palm left hand, bent before the elbow against the level of the breast of woman, and by right hand on the ribs or the scapula of the woman Of did name unacceptable in Argentina and disrespect to the woman. to. here why to us these conditionalities “authentic tango”? … dances it passenger cabin and for the god… we- that we can and so, and so (if we speak about “moved” level, which was declared on many lessons). . the only of - on the essence “counter” and the embrace necessary to you, with which I am agreeable … then about the seat on the floor and on the chairs of pupils. ., for example, see nothing before this of dishonourable, in people flow in the struts after 3 hours on the parquet. ., is created private, academic situation, in my view. . than here disrespect… respect before the fact that we paid money, they arrived, we react down their jokes, even if it is not particularly ridiculous, clap hands of their resume… to what conditionality “of respect”… personally I I try not to sit, but sometimes . it is desirable to squat and to the flowed in roe and foot but I do not consider those, who sit before the explanations of , unjust

[CtP]

SdP wrote (a):
… A base equipment to the usually precisely moved level is interesting
This is certain thus. Only it is necessary to give and to grind on the appropriate lesson, but not to be diverted and to lose time beyond another theme
SdP wrote (a):
… But I spoke completely about other - about emotional component of the supply of material.
This is not very understandable. Certainly, dispatch down and they expected something similar… But such it did not come out, were simple lessons. Nevertheless interesting moments were nevertheless, so that not for nothing

[Safiyo]

, here I sit and suffer based on the question:
and is it possible to generally compare teachers…. specifically, these.
Different they, in my opinion, very. Not opposite, but different.
Impressions from the lessons, perhaps, can be compared. But here is the method of supplying the material, equipment, .

[TateamaT]

I worship before the dance Of ; therefore it exemplarily withdrew down all 10 lessons plus petty private trader, from all forces trying to learn… although droplet… Even it passed on the nautilus - vast victim (
Yes, it is not at all useless lessons…
But that, as will be given material… what energy it remains after lesson… you do fly away on the wings of inspiration, or feels sick…
… … very frequently that as Of , by me was absorbed as caddishness, ill-breeding and complete disrespect to the pupils… it was frequently at the point of it uncomfortable…





and I would wish to add to the honor Of that Sasha, Lena, and another from did all in order to smooth out this unpleasant impression from these , the organization of seminars was against the level, particularly it is desirable to note transfer at all seminars - splendid, word-for-word, emotional, but impartial





SdP wrote (a):
Lenkis wrote (a):
, conversation not about the noncoincidences before the description of equipment, but about the method of supplying the material. Not all are ready to absorb similar. Alas, I also several that not prepared.
Yes, the method of supplying another, from the reverse. But completely has law down the life. We became accustomed, that to us first they chew, and basic cluster then is given. But here conversely. Here to you cluster - you will repeat. It is not received - so all steps are disassembled in stages, and questions they answer. Actually, naturally, and not apropos base equipment. The nonetheless moved level is declared. Everything is as a result understandable.
than to me seems this method unacceptable from the general to the quotient precisely in these . . it shows fairly complicated cluster beside the line, where in the partner: posterior , the replacement of system, directions, to , in the female partner: the replacement of directions, forward and ago, posterior , in pair together - lateral spring. . you do try to repeat, then you do not know for which and where to be sufficient… questions yet do not manage to be defined concretely. . when all in a heap is assembled and they do request “well and? what questions? ”, then entire by struts beside the floor as horses, “well type necessary to still practice”:. “and by repeat- kiloamperes, well as will move out”:. “and now we”:. “well and, you comprehended as necessary to dance, and as you dance”… yes well they comprehended, but to us, if it is honest, particularly it was not pleased, as you make, all is somehow nerve, it is pathos-arousing, as as if and next on the limit, there is no naturalness (but we keep silent)… it hangs pause… and such pauses it would be at each seminar… then simple cluster beside (first lesson), I would say simplest, but to the partner on it is necessary to wait for, when it “” female partner, and to then begin in order to fall by by it beside the discovered step, otherwise you fall beside the outgoing posterior strut on the anterior , or necessary to with the silver nitrate… a question was actually and immediately about from the experienced children: “when “to start” to partner. . of any, “dance and do not soar, all is natural”. . with the female partner were conjectured they themselves, they considered down Tanya and next. . and why to us this seminar without the responses, they would can and to remove without any seminar… me personally generally seemed with this video that him irritated questions actually and by completely “professional” language, as as if it similar in Moscow did not expect, and for the sake of sole possibility will be separated against the background our previous it began on them not to answer the same “professional” language, everywhere referring to naturalness as principle. . to still give several examples, but will suffice negative naturalness before the tango of expensive it stands on the course, this is what I wish to say

[FiDa]

It was wanted even to share.
To me about this before described one pair of to peace dancers very known on entire tango and , but I will not name their names, let us say . So here, I was in them on the group of t and they gave complex cluster, and at the end lesson they showed, its continuation, which it had to give on the following lesson. I on the following lesson no longer fell, she left, and it asked petty private trader, it is special on this cluster.





Then I requested them, but as then it is possible to learn to this before the group exercise, indeed such nuances you do not explain on the group, the same is impossible. And they said to me, then how, strictly, I wanted with you to share.
They said that on the group they always give something unattainable. Because if we learn students properly this to make, they will solve, that already they can, and they will cease to go down the classes. It is necessary that the students would learn, but in them always remained a feeling of , something which yet is not received, at how it is necessary to still work. Then they go and go down the classes.
By the way, this pair - simply remarkable, super- teachers, they explain even on the group so that - music! Very very didactic. I have to them solid respect and admiration. But here, such professional tricks exist even in them.
And still it is desirable to greatly say: , thanks is great at the point of the theme. For the first time on the forum something began to interestingly and actually read, although it can and not correctly, theoretically about these things, it is for some reason very interesting

[Malrjing]

by the way according to and . . () for the practice based on the discovered upward by palm left hand, bent before the elbow against the level of the breast of woman, and by right hand on the ribs or the scapula of the woman Of did name unacceptable in Argentina and disrespect to the woman. to. here why to us these conditionalities “authentic tango”?
Yes, there is similar. From any of Argentinean you will hear this.
Before the culture of the embrace is considered important, and even primaryy important.
based on the media of this culture with all ensuing consequences. But you did wait from them another opinion?
Although, someone can consider culture conditionalities…





To develop its dance is further or not to be able to dance classics (i.e. not to master base) - in no way one and the same.
We do not also share awe before Argentina, but, before our opinion, style the villa Of - this the indicator of the possession by dancer tango technique, and the foundation of tango technique lies against the embrace, tango - this generally “the dance of embrace”.
But as woman dancing of the tango, I also named unacceptable the nightmarish embrace before which many they dance (there not before the hand matter).

[Walnj]

How do you do. , you speak “that its ] they irritated questions actually and completely “by professional” language”, but, you will forgive, these were the lessons of the moved level, on which, as to me it is seen, there must not be questions of the type as than give pulse to the female partner, where begins the corps, is retained the level of the position of body before or it can be changed on the vertical line, i.e., questions of very that not on there is a base level. on one of the lessons clearly and clearly showed and said that female partner they do not know how to make … Practically no one on the lessons could perform the clusters on the straight line proposed, as instructors requested. Is received anything, bearings, circles, but straight line. And this is the moved level?
Instructor can go in two ways: “to roll down” to the real level of group, or to continue to adhere to the declared level. Correct me more adult beside the tango comrades, (it seems, this they spoke about it?) years somewhat ago against the moved level of the cluster besides several steps, which no one could repeat - well thus named pepper cap, beside the body. They with the cluster. I something I do not remember the disturbed cries before his address - on the contrary, fine person peasant, so it is must, to climb not beside its level.

[CtP]

How do you do. , you speak “that its ] they irritated questions actually and completely “by professional” language”, but, you will forgive, these were the lessons of the moved level, on which, as to me it is seen, there must not be questions of the type as than give pulse to the female partner, where begins the corps, is retained the level of the position of body before or it can be changed on the vertical line, i.e., questions of very that not on there is a base level. on one of the lessons clearly and clearly showed and said that female partner they do not know how to make … Practically no one on the lessons could perform the clusters on the straight line proposed, as instructors requested. Is received anything, bearings, circles, but straight line. And this is the moved level?
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To me it seemed that they, and , were generally astonished, that are assigned such questions. Neither step correctly no one to do can nor be turned nor be twisted (although they curling directly was not named, essence was such). They always request to go by small steps also on the straight line in order not to interfere with each other (as on ), but the people is carried back and forth, colliding all -. The moved level implies another scheme of lesson, than that which was received.
And questions they greatly even answered. Both they showed and they repaired.
But if we are not ready to take that the fact that they can give, then this is not their fault. Then it is not necessary to request in the instructors of complex things, but to declare base, , turnings, until we learn.
Then to be impolite we greatly even are able. And to sit on the lesson, without respecting instructors, and to go away demonstratively.

[Slafo]

I do not here know that spoke about . here about it nothing he said. Although for sure it would can.
to compare these two comrades matter is thankless, , about the comedian and the provincial - .
But show to me was not pleased.